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Post by comicfreak on Jan 6, 2007 22:40:58 GMT -5
to me it doesn't say joker. it says a f**ked up psycho who was beaten to a pulp, not fallen into a chemical bath. and a texas accent? what r they doing to the joker. o god this will be a bad sequal i just know it.
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Post by t0xin_ven0m on Jan 6, 2007 22:45:00 GMT -5
Yeah, but is that Joker's actual origin, did he actually fall into a chemical bath? (I'm not to fimiliar with DC origins)
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Post by comicfreak on Jan 6, 2007 22:50:11 GMT -5
yeah he did. i'm saying that he looks like he didn't fall into a chemical bath. just someone who was beaten up. alot. (also neither am i. i just watch the movies and the tv shows)
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Post by Carnage on Jan 7, 2007 1:34:05 GMT -5
Well, a lot of people think he'll be a psycho that escaped from arkham asylum whom was disfigured by his cell mate(s) or that he did it to him self. I think it'll be fine. I mean they did a superb job with Begins, maybe this change is needed for the better or the old Joker doesn't fit the storyline in which they want. I think there was no definte origin of Joker, he simply just was a villian with no backstory because they didn't know what to do with him(I mean come on! No body even knows his true name!). In the comics he was just a severly disturbed psychopath. They probaly just did the whole acid thing because they needed a reason for him to hate batman in the movies (and the tv show, respectively). The only thing I can remember having to do with his origin was The Killing Joke (written by Alan Moore), I've never read it so I don't know but I'm thinking about picking it up just to see.
I think that Joker will be a poker player from texas who owes some money to the wrong people. When he doesn't pay up, they hunt him down and beat him into inch from his death and severly disfigure him. They leave him for dead but he survives only to go insane over his disfigurement. He laughs each time he looks into the mirror and is eventually sent to arkham asylum. He is one of the prisoners who escapes at the end of Begins. When he finds freedom from the horrbile prison in which he's been sprung, he has been turned into a even worse psychopath. Finding pleasure and comedy in the poetic screams from the totured and dying, he takes on the alter ego Joker. The card rarely delt.
P.S. Just remember guys, I don't even know if this picture is real. It showed up on the internet and it seems to be the real deal. The texas accent I know is true.
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Post by comicfreak on Jan 7, 2007 9:30:28 GMT -5
texas accent isn't good for the joker. mark hamill and jack nichelson were the best jokers and they didn't need some texas accent. it doesn't fit the joker.
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Post by Carnage on Jan 7, 2007 10:42:33 GMT -5
I think the texas accent will be fine, it gives the character a little more depth. I say give it a chance, maybe it doesn't fit in with the old Joker but it might be perfect for the new one. Like I said before, there is no true back ground for the Joker, so they can practicly do whatever they want with character's origin and still have the character remotely correct. As long as Joker's a pyschotic killer who finds comedy in death, he's fine with me.
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Post by WANDERINGJD on Jan 10, 2007 21:46:37 GMT -5
texas accent for joker? someone needs to shoot the writers for these movies now!
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Post by t0xin_ven0m on Jan 10, 2007 22:15:13 GMT -5
Well, we'll see...I mean, I didn't think that the first one would be that great...but I was quite amazed. I'll reserve my opinion until I actually hear him
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Post by WANDERINGJD on Jan 10, 2007 22:22:45 GMT -5
it was a good movie but to change a character that much? it's like the sandman being uncle bens killer it's f**king retarded.
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Post by comicfreak on Jan 11, 2007 17:30:07 GMT -5
dude sandman being uncle ben's killer was a great idea. it gives peter a reason to be angry not just he can't beat sandman. but thats another topic. still joker can't have a texas accent. might as well give punisher a jamican accent.
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Post by Carnage on Jan 11, 2007 21:11:46 GMT -5
His accent isn't that drastic comicfreak! Like I said before, Joker has no real background and he's been re-done so many times ever since the original series. Starting with Bob Kane(which I'm proud to say we share the last name, not related [but wish we were]), Bob literally changed the entire history of Batman and most of the villians, he took away that cheesyness that the original series had. But even his revamp wasn't good enough, further on down the road other writers tweaked characters that didn't seem developed enough. Plus, show me where it says that Joker does or doesn't have a texas accent, he has no true background, as I've stated before, so it's simply the way you read the dialog.(ex: a person from Boston would think Joker has a Boston accent because their from Boston) The movies are based off the comics, so the past writers and directors simply didn't envision him with an accent. They didn't destroy the character because it was said that he didn't have a texas accent. Now if they made him a she then thats a different story.....
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Post by comicfreak on Jan 12, 2007 6:22:03 GMT -5
dude look at all he past works of the joker. known of them have a texas accent. they'd probably sound like crap if they did anyway. and the actors can't read the script and assume their character has their own accent. take hugh jackmon for example. he has this english accent and he has a regular accent when he play wolverine. do u think he would have been just as good if he had used his english accent? probably not. actors have to read the comics to understand the character. they can't make it their own. thats the point of being a movie based on a comic. and if he was revamped just read the newest origin. if the new origin said he had a texas accent they okay but i would still think he would sound like crap compared to the great jokers like mark hamill and jack nichelson.
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Post by t0xin_ven0m on Jan 12, 2007 6:40:30 GMT -5
I haven't read a comic that states if he had a texas accent or not, so, in theory, he could but just as well not.
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Post by Carnage on Jan 12, 2007 15:13:15 GMT -5
One reason why Hugh Jackman didn't have an accent was because the character was american. It depends on the history of the character, if it says he's from england give a english accent, if he's from texas give him a texas accent, but with characters who's background is unclear than it leaves up to the reader to guess. Also, how do you know if it will sound like crap if you haven't heard it yet? It'd be different if there was a movie with Joker having a texas accent and it sucked but there's been nothing like that. So who's to say it won't be better? You may think it may be crap now but when you see the movie I'll bet you'll like it because it's not the same Joker as it used to be. Joker is more darker than he used to be and more of a serial killer than the way he's been protrayed in movies. I have one final question, why the hell are we fighting over an accent? It's just the way someone f**king talks. It's a pointless arugment and all I was just trying to say is keep an open mind, and acept that somethings change. You may not like them at first but don't lash out at them without seeing the final product.
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Post by t0xin_ven0m on Jan 12, 2007 23:14:27 GMT -5
lol...agreed, there is no need to continue this debate, at least, until we actually hear his voice that is Then, I may jump on the bandwagon, lol!
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Post by comicfreak on Jan 13, 2007 10:10:00 GMT -5
ok fine we can drop this but when u have the guy from brokeback mountain playing joker with a texas accent its normal for everyone to go, what the hell r they thinking. but i can garuntee this, the new guy will not be better then mark hamill or jack nichelson.
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Post by t0xin_ven0m on Jan 26, 2007 5:21:06 GMT -5
Well, this is interesting...I wonder if this has something to do with Tom f*g Cruise...
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Latino Review has posted an interesting scoop saying that Harvey Dent will definitely appear in The Dark Knight while Katie Holmes will no longer play Rachel Dawes, though the character remains.
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Post by comicfreak on Jan 26, 2007 6:27:32 GMT -5
why would cruise have something to do with it?
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Post by Carnage on Jan 26, 2007 6:41:18 GMT -5
Because he's married to Katie Holms and he thinks he can get involved with her career. He tries to get her better deals & acts like a hardass to directors and thinks he's in charge of the whole production, that's why people don't like to work with Tom Cruise because the fame and fortune has gotten to his head. By the way they have Katie Holms' character, but she won't be making an appearance. She'll still be around but on a buisness trip or something I heard and no one's taking over her role, at least not to my knowledge.
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Post by t0xin_ven0m on Jan 26, 2007 7:50:00 GMT -5
In my opinion...that just sucks. I don't know what the hell she was thinking when she got with him...
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